Compare Gypsy Cards and Lenormand

I may be off topic, but has anybody considered to compare Gypsies and Lenormand cards, the whole deck I mean? Let's say Journey and Ship..as rif said...and so on??

Hi wildcat

It could be a challenge but I do prefer to see them as different oracles...

Stanze

Stanze wrote:Hi wildcat

It could be a challenge but I do prefer to see them as different oracles...

Stanze

Yes Stanze,

sure it's better to see them as different oracles, I was just wondering if there are some similarities for doing the grand tableau, as the gypsies have no numbers at all on them!!

The Gypsy LWB shows a layout with all 36 cards, and based on the location of the querent card, you can determine past/future.

You don't need numbers to read a GT; those are only useful to easily determine the "houses" which aren't a required technique anyway.

Are you going to experiment?

rif wrote:The Gypsy LWB shows a layout with all 36 cards, and based on the location of the querent card, you can determine past/future.

You don't need numbers to read a GT; those are only useful to easily determine the "houses" which aren't a required technique anyway.

Are you going to experiment?

I would like to!!

Do you have the Piatnik Gypsy deck? That's the LWB I was referring to. I think it shows the 9x4 layout, and talks about interpreting directionally from the qeurent card, and I'm sure you could use other cards to read about family, money etc.

It's a little-known fact, but the "Grand Tableau" isn't limited to Lenormand. A couple of books published in the early 1900s use a similar method to read playing cards, although they don't get into the complications of reflection and houses -- both of which also have roots in playing card methods. Reflection is card pairing, which was used a lot by Etteilla, and houses were used in the "master method," which is attributed to Lenormand herself (she would have used playing cards).

So feel free to experiment -- just let us know how it works!

rif wrote:Do you have the Piatnik Gypsy deck? That's the LWB I was referring to. I think it shows the 9x4 layout, and talks about interpreting directionally from the qeurent card, and I'm sure you could use other cards to read about family, money etc.

It's a little-known fact, but the "Grand Tableau" isn't limited to Lenormand. A couple of books published in the early 1900s use a similar method to read playing cards, although they don't get into the complications of reflection and houses -- both of which also have roots in playing card methods. Reflection is card pairing, which was used a lot by Etteilla, and houses were used in the "master method," which is attributed to Lenormand herself (she would have used playing cards).

So feel free to experiment -- just let us know how it works!

Thnks Rif,

yes, I do have the Platnik deck and the description of the 9x4 lay out. I'm going to try it one of these days and I'll let you know what's going to come out of it!!

Kapherus wrote:

wildcat wrote: I may be off topic, but has anybody considered to compare Gypsies and Lenormand cards, the whole deck I mean? Let's say Journey and Ship..as rif said...and so on??

Yep, I've been working on a list of corresponding cards. There are a few cards that I can't seem to connect, but most fit very nicely. I'll see if I can dig up what I have and post it here. (I've been working on a list of correspondences for the Lenormand and PCs too)

Kaph

It would be great Kapherus!!

Thanks a lot Kapherus!!!

I was thinking about tree..could it be represented by House or Merriment? The house seen like the body.

Kapherus wrote:

wildcat wrote:Thanks a lot Kapherus!!!

I was thinking about tree..could it be represented by House or Merriment? The house seen like the body.

Yes, that makes sense. I was thinking Malady could work too since it relates to health.

Malady makes sense too...

oh this looks interesting. i'll have to look at it better later when I have more time. Thanks for bringing it up!

Cateye

Hi everyone!!

I wonder if Clouds could be represented by Sadness, a bad period, bad influences and Path by Thought, thinking, trying to make up one's mind? What do you think about this?