Grand tableau - for learning and discussing

Hi Kali!!!

Great that you have joined this thread... interesting that you are seeing future here!!! Let me give you my feedback...

kali wrote:
Using the Knites Lady+Heart+key+Tree-an important relationship in your life.Heart+Key make me think you'll find your soul mate.Who is this man?Lady+Bear-an important protective man.Using the same technique Ship+Bear+Fish-a foreigner business man.I wonder if I connect Bear+Clouds,this man is somebody you met before.

Very interesting... when you associated ship+bear+fish you have used a diagonal line, isn't it? And... I've never thought about "clouds" as someone I've met before... wouldn't that be showed by the dog?

kali wrote:I'm lookind at the bad card:Scythe+Book+Fox+Whips-some secret lies will be disclosed and lead to an argument.The Dog is near the Scythe and Fox-so it can be a person that you know him,untrustful friend.If I connect Dog+Flower-it can be a woman.The Whip is touching the Flower card.

I was thinking about a woman as well, but because of the Snake... I was also wondering if it would be me that has this sneaky friend OR if is the man who's above the snake?

kali wrote:Did you have some health's problems recently?

Just a kind of cold after my transition from sunny Brasil to cold, grey and rainny Holland ...


Stanze

Very interesting... when you associated ship+bear+fish you have used a diagonal line, isn't it? And... I've never thought about "clouds" as someone I've met before... wouldn't that be showed by the dog?

yes I used diagonal line.In many spreads The Clouds can represent a man:ex-husband,lover,friend.

I was thinking about a woman as well, but because of the Snake... I was also wondering if it would be me that has this sneaky friend OR if is the man who's above the snake?

I think we have different methods to connect the cards between them but you are already the Lady so I take The Snake as other persons or problems.I would read Man+Snake-a man and his wife,mistress or another woman.For me The Fox works all the time as something deceitful.

Just a kind of cold after my transition from sunny Brasil to cold, grey and rainny Holland ...

I asked you because reading diagonal Scythe+Tree+Clouds+Coffin-can represent some problems with chest,lungs so you should pay more attention to your health.

Hi amiga,




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First of all, thank you Stanze for the wonderful chance you're giving us to practice. Valeu mesmo !!! I am like Kaph for this Grand Tableau. It feels like an all you can eat buffet: hard to decide where to start!!!

Now, as I am NOT that romantic and , unfortunately, haven't taken any course on it, yet, I'll concentrate on the people that showed up.

You first. You may be experiencing or will in the near future, pain in your legs. From excess exercise like standing for too long or climbing up stairs. Be nice to them. Also, you may be going through a phase when things seem stagnant financially (stepping on Fish + facing Mountain). On the upside, you seem to be a person who can handle difficult periods with calm and grace (llillies) and you have a power of regeneration that is simply amazing (son + lillies). You also spread positivism to people around you especially when in love (Man). I agree with the moodiness (scythe) and you should be careful not to let them cut your wings with their caustic remarks and secrets (snake + book). You tend to love too much. Sometimes, it's hard to tell the snake from the dog because you do believe in the goodness in people so, careful when dealing with strangers. Now, you seem to be having a sort of renewal/change moment. One of the issues here would be sexuality. It seems with time, you gained more confidence in yourself and using your charm and thus, feel freer to break the barriers that seem to stem from your upbringing (whips + House + Heart + Owl). Just to explain, Whips mean sex in my readings; Owls stand for wisdom that comes from age and observation.

If you are afraid that a new project you have in mind is not going to work, think again. The project is the child; she is facing the clouds (worrier that she is) but behind her is the key which shows that the chances for success are there. She may have to (YOU may have to) give up on old habits and think a bit outside the box (the child has to stop stepping on a coffin) to make it work.

The bear seems to be a friend who is going through some serious health problems. For some reason (here comes the hunch) it seems to be alcohol related. The anchor and the ship reminded me of liquor as well as balance issues...

Now, do forgive me if I go too far but this spread seems to show the atmosphere involving you as a mother!!! I don't know if you have intentions of having a baby soon but I saw that:

* pregnancy will come as a total surprise (letter)

* you will want to change a lot of habits because of it (cut on smoking, if you do smoke, laying low, taking more rest, etc - Tower)

* the baby will be a highly spiritual child (star + Cross) and very possibly twins (clover).



Man, I am sure I'm completely off but it was very good giving the GT a first reading. At least, the fear is gone



Anxious to see how the experts will see your spread!!



Love,



Ana

I've been reading all the replies and now I'm totally overwhelmed!
A diagonal correlation makes more sense to me than the knight.

Need the book " Grand Tableau for Dummies"

If this was a 9x4, there's a technique I saw somewhere that takes the cards from the four corners and reads them together.

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Hello Stanze,
thank you for your feedback!
In the next step I look at you (lady). The lady is in the house of stars: You are frank and very intelligent. In the moment you have really good ideas and you are very positive. You have a good intuition and a keen sense for your fellow men.
Now I look at your characteristics. That´s the cards around the lady.
You are indecisive and nervous/ stressed out. Perhaps you have a thought "Oh, I don´t know if I can manage it!" (birds)
You are very caring and profound, but you like to drift (fish). Fish in the house of heart shows also platonic love.
Your fellow men can count on you. You are very reliably (key). But key in the house of mice can tell about fear of loss and that there´s a halting situation.
In your mind (lilly above the lady) is your family or a affair. I can imagine, it´s both, because of the birds (number 2).
Your near future, about weeks, is mountain - house - whips. Because the lady looks at it.
Perhaps there will be discussions about a house or you try to get a house/ flat. But it will be not the right house. Something is wrong with it. It´s not for your needs (house in the house of fox). Of cause, that´s frustrating (mountain).
For the second near future, about 2 month, I take mountain KK fox. You will see, you don´t need to be frustrated. There will be a lease (house KK letter) and you will arrange a contract (whips KK ring).

Tomorrow I look at your topics.
grashalm

wood wrote:I've been reading all the replies and now I'm totally overwhelmed!
A diagonal correlation makes more sense to me than the knight.

Need the book " Grand Tableau for Dummies"

fennario wrote:If this was a 9x4, there's a technique I saw somewhere that takes the cards from the four corners and reads them together.

Ah-ha! The multi-quote thing is working! Wood, yes!!!! I would love a Grand Tableau for Dummies!!! Maybe after sections like this one we could publish one together

Fennario, I always use the 9x4 and I've read it (I think on Chanah's site) that these are the main topic of the reading. Though this is not a 9x4 tableau I've read the corners together.

Ana and Grashalm... wow... I'm getting "arrepios" (how do you say that in English?) about yourreadings. I've to come later with my feedback to you both... you are all amazing!!!!

Stanze

Stanze wrote:





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Stanze

I've taken another look at these cards and tried to interpret them in a different way. I know I've seen some posts with responses already but I'm taking these combinations from the Treppner course. So forgive me in advance Stanze, I don't really know a great deal about your situation, but I hope this reading is more to what you were thinking of.

Each section is consisting of pairs going along the rows, in sets of 4 i.e. Sun/Man, Man/Scythe, and Scythe/Moon, but the 2 central lines have been combined vertically and not horizontally as in Moon/Tree, Tree/Ring, and Ring/Tower.

An usually sunny natured, and optimistic man, may be being moody due to an injury or he could be an aggressive type. – Was this a relative/partner who changed into someone you didn’t really know or like any more?

A secret affair with a well-educated woman and who is or was possibly connected to medicine/health. – Did this spark the disruption in your life that you are facing now, if so, it is eating away at you!

Lies were revealed to you in a message of untruthfulness, this was regarding some kind of contract. – A document was not what it was supposed to be, and luckily you became aware of the truth before it was too late.

Success and acceptance in public bring successful and positive changes with help of public authorities. – Could this be something regarding writing the book and you become acknowledged because of it, local authority may help you on your way with it.

Romantic love and talks about love show that difficulties are not for long and passing difficulties in sexuality. – Maybe recent conversations with a friend/ex have kindled some old passions, could you be thinking you’ve rushed the decision too soon, or is there an influence which is stalling your actions?

There is disruption in or about the home; with no access to a house or purchase of house is not possible/longwinded causing you blockades and stress. – Not finding the right place for you could be your way of saying I’m not ready to let go yet, perhaps the finality of the situation is too unbearable, and if you move, you will be closing the door on the situation, are you really ready to move on and move out?

A new start not working from the very beginning, a child with problems, an abortion, or conflict for a young lady, a new start (sometimes pregnancy), the child/young lady is good in what he/she does, and can mean success with finances. – I won’t dwell too much on this part; I just think you may not be as happy as you hope to be wherever you go from here.

The way is ending here, an ill grandfather/grandmother or older person, negative authority affair, a boss or supervisor. – Could this be that you will change jobs because illness is putting the boss into retirement, or perhaps you may decide to go for a home which is associated with a business which will enable you to work for yourself?

Examination, with a positive message from far away which makes one happy, a business message/consent, or information about a journey. – Are there any tests on the horizon, there could be news about a family run business where you are asked to become involved?

Depression, lifelong partnership, chronic illness, one thinks about a split from partner/will actually break up. – I’m not 100% sure if you are divorced yet or not, but I’m thinking that you are not exceedingly happy with the situation, and there are some regrets that are making you feel quite depressed about the whole thing.

Cheerful conversations, slapstick, job interview, argument with a man, a man is annoyed, sometimes: judge, be careful with a wrong decision. - You could be putting on a brave face, showing a cheerful persona so as to hide your real feelings; there could be one final moment when you need to ask yourself whether or not you have made the right decision.

Hope that made sense

Take care
Carol

I'm just popping in to say Good Job everyone! I'm fascinated seeing how the different parts are linked.

I hope to sit later and pull some of it apart myself, if I get the chance-
but I'm definitely hear reading and learning

Spirity

Olá Ana!!!!

Thanks for participating and sharing your knowledge!!! As promised here is feedback for your reading!

ana luisa wrote: You first. You may be experiencing or will in the near future, pain in your legs. From excess exercise like standing for too long or climbing up stairs. Be nice to them.

I do feel my legs when I'm close to my period. They just get heavy like a stone...

ana luisa wrote:Also, you may be going through a phase when things seem stagnant financially (stepping on Fish + facing Mountain).

I wouldn't say stagnant but I am worried with the impact my decisions can have on my pocket.

ana luisa wrote:On the upside, you seem to be a person who can handle difficult periods with calm and grace (llillies) and you have a power of regeneration that is simply amazing (son + lillies). You also spread positivism to people around you especially when in love (Man).

Absolutely right!

ana luisa wrote: I agree with the moodiness (scythe) and you should be careful not to let them cut your wings with their caustic remarks and secrets (snake + book). You tend to love too much. Sometimes, it's hard to tell the snake from the dog because you do believe in the goodness in people so, careful when dealing with strangers.

Yes, yes.... I trust too much....and yes, I do love too much (and intensively)

ana luisa wrote: Now, you seem to be having a sort of renewal/change moment. One of the issues here would be sexuality. It seems with time, you gained more confidence in yourself and using your charm and thus, feel freer to break the barriers that seem to stem from your upbringing (whips + House + Heart + Owl). Just to explain, Whips mean sex in my readings; Owls stand for wisdom that comes from age and observation.

I couldn't be better said ... amazing!!!

ana luisa wrote:If you are afraid that a new project you have in mind is not going to work, think again. The project is the child; she is facing the clouds (worrier that she is) but behind her is the key which shows that the chances for success are there. She may have to (YOU may have to) give up on old habits and think a bit outside the box (the child has to stop stepping on a coffin) to make it work.

Afraid wouldn't be the right word, sometimes unthrustful or not believing (what have the same sense any way)...

ana luisa wrote:The bear seems to be a friend who is going through some serious health problems. For some reason (here comes the hunch) it seems to be alcohol related. The anchor and the ship reminded me of liquor as well as balance issues...

This I don't know. My almost ex has health issues... maybe it's him.

ana luisa wrote:Now, do forgive me if I go too far but this spread seems to show the atmosphere involving you as a mother!!! I don't know if you have intentions of having a baby soon but I saw that:

* pregnancy will come as a total surprise (letter)

* you will want to change a lot of habits because of it (cut on smoking, if you do smoke, laying low, taking more rest, etc - Tower)

* the baby will be a highly spiritual child (star + Cross) and very possibly twins (clover).

I wanna bless your words!!!. Well, this is really a dream but I'm afraid I'm getting too old for that I don't smoke but I'm an unquiet, unrestful person!!! Oh well, I like some beers ...

ana luisa wrote:Man, I am sure I'm completely off but it was very good giving the GT a first reading. At least, the fear is gone

You were not far away at all!!!! And I'm pleased to give the chance for you to break your barriers against the GT ... .

I'm also looking forward if someone else wanna play the GT for themselves so I can dig on it as well!!!


Stanze

Hi grashalm!!!!

Wow, another lesson on "positions and meanings"... I'm loving the way you read the cards. It gives us a direction on how to begin and see them!!!

Thanks a lot!!!!! Here's my feedback on your second reading...

grashalm wrote:In the next step I look at you (lady). The lady is in the house of stars: You are frank and very intelligent. In the moment you have really good ideas and you are very positive. You have a good intuition and a keen sense for your fellow men.

Right!

grashalm wrote:Now I look at your characteristics. That´s the cards around the lady. You are indecisive and nervous/ stressed out. Perhaps you have a thought "Oh, I don´t know if I can manage it!" (birds)
You are very caring and profound, but you like to drift (fish). Fish in the house of heart shows also platonic love.
Your fellow men can count on you. You are very reliably (key). But key in the house of mice can tell about fear of loss and that there´s a halting situation.
In your mind (lilly above the lady) is your family or a affair. I can imagine, it´s both, because of the birds (number 2).

OmG... what can I say??? Everything is sooooo right! And yes, my family and someone else (I would say more the platonic love you mentioned than a proper affair) are on my mind.

grashalm wrote:Your near future, about weeks, is mountain - house - whips. Because the lady looks at it.
Perhaps there will be discussions about a house or you try to get a house/ flat. But it will be not the right house. Something is wrong with it. It´s not for your needs (house in the house of fox). Of cause, that´s frustrating (mountain).

I could say this was past as in my cards the woman is facing the other side. I indeed went to look a place but it was not for my needs....maybe it happens again, who knows.

grashalm wrote:For the second near future, about 2 month, I take mountain KK fox. You will see, you don´t need to be frustrated. There will be a lease (house KK letter) and you will arrange a contract (whips KK ring).

This is future....

Great!!!!!! I'm now looking forward for the topics... thanks again, grashalm, it is just being amazing!!!

Stanze

Hi Carol!!!!!

Wow, thanks for taking another point of view in the tableau... now I can give you feedback

Carol Dye wrote:I've taken another look at these cards and tried to interpret them in a different way. I know I've seen some posts with responses already but I'm taking these combinations from the Treppner course. So forgive me in advance Stanze, I don't really know a great deal about your situation, but I hope this reading is more to what you were thinking of.

There's no need to excuses, Carol. I use the Trepnner way as well but sometimes I get stucked with her way of reading the GT. That's why this thread here has been so amazing for me because I'm seeing different methods and then I can try to incorporate them later and see which one really works for me... and... it's better when we don't know too much about the other person. We can see more from the cards!!!

Carol Dye wrote: Each section is consisting of pairs going along the rows, in sets of 4 i.e. Sun/Man, Man/Scythe, and Scythe/Moon, but the 2 central lines have been combined vertically and not horizontally as in Moon/Tree, Tree/Ring, and Ring/Tower.

Interesting... that's how I try to see it as well.

Carol Dye wrote:An usually sunny natured, and optimistic man, may be being moody due to an injury or he could be an aggressive type. – Was this a relative/partner who changed into someone you didn’t really know or like any more?

When I saw this card I thought about someone but I can't be sure. I think his injuries would be on the financial side and I really don't know if he's aggressive... it doesn't seem so, though moody... yes

Carol Dye wrote:A secret affair with a well-educated woman and who is or was possibly connected to medicine/health. – Did this spark the disruption in your life that you are facing now, if so, it is eating away at you!

I really don't know about this woman but yes, her existence disturbs me.

Carol Dye wrote:Lies were revealed to you in a message of untruthfulness, this was regarding some kind of contract. – A document was not what it was supposed to be, and luckily you became aware of the truth before it was too late.

I can't match this right away... have to think about it.

Carol Dye wrote:Success and acceptance in public bring successful and positive changes with help of public authorities. – Could this be something regarding writing the book and you become acknowledged because of it, local authority may help you on your way with it.

Maybe this could be related to my naturalisation that took place in the municipality...

Carol Dye wrote:Romantic love and talks about love show that difficulties are not for long and passing difficulties in sexuality. – Maybe recent conversations with a friend/ex have kindled some old passions, could you be thinking you’ve rushed the decision too soon, or is there an influence which is stalling your actions?

I've loved the first part... romantic love and talks... no, no old passions but I do think that I've made wrong decisions and... now I remember... I've talked about this with a friend... maybe this is it!!

Carol Dye wrote:There is disruption in or about the home; with no access to a house or purchase of house is not possible/longwinded causing you blockades and stress. – Not finding the right place for you could be your way of saying I’m not ready to let go yet, perhaps the finality of the situation is too unbearable, and if you move, you will be closing the door on the situation, are you really ready to move on and move out?

That's a good point. In fact I keep thinking about this.

Carol Dye wrote:A new start not working from the very beginning, a child with problems, an abortion, or conflict for a young lady, a new start (sometimes pregnancy), the child/young lady is good in what he/she does, and can mean success with finances. – I won’t dwell too much on this part; I just think you may not be as happy as you hope to be wherever you go from here.

This I really can't match...

Carol Dye wrote:The way is ending here, an ill grandfather/grandmother or older person, negative authority affair, a boss or supervisor. – Could this be that you will change jobs because illness is putting the boss into retirement, or perhaps you may decide to go for a home which is associated with a business which will enable you to work for yourself?

There are talking about changes in my job but not due to illness... the whole organisation is changing.

Carol Dye wrote:Examination, with a positive message from far away which makes one happy, a business message/consent, or information about a journey. – Are there any tests on the horizon, there could be news about a family run business where you are asked to become involved?

I'm already involved with my brother's businness but not really active on it.

Carol Dye wrote:Depression, lifelong partnership, chronic illness, one thinks about a split from partner/will actually break up. – I’m not 100% sure if you are divorced yet or not, but I’m thinking that you are not exceedingly happy with the situation, and there are some regrets that are making you feel quite depressed about the whole thing.

This makes sense. The split is happening, the chronic disease could be related to my partner and I'm not happy with the whole situation at all.

Carol Dye wrote:Cheerful conversations, slapstick, job interview, argument with a man, a man is annoyed, sometimes: judge, be careful with a wrong decision. - You could be putting on a brave face, showing a cheerful persona so as to hide your real feelings; there could be one final moment when you need to ask yourself whether or not you have made the right decision.

I do this all the time, I mean, asking if I'm doing the right thing, but now I know I have to follow my heart wherever it takes me. And I hope and pray that it's not leading me through a wrong path.

Carol Dye wrote:Hope that made sense

Oh, yeah!!!! It really made a lot of sense !!!!


Stanze

Thanks Stanze

I'm grateful for your feedback, as this is a new way of reading for me, it is still all about learning by trial and error so to speak. I would like to be fully comfortable with a particular way of reading before I attempt to try on someone as a more one on one reading. I'm learning so much from everyone here, the different perspectives give more feeling for how other people see situations that I may have missed.

I do spend a fair amount of time looking through the threads at the moment, but it's like a good book, I just can't put it down, lol. I really do wish you all the best in your endeavours, and hope that things go the way you hope. Naturalisation? Maybe your ideal home is back in your native homeland and that's why you can't find the right home where you are now???

Take care
Carol

P.S. Seem to be having a bit of trouble with emoticons at the moment.

grashalm wrote:



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I am new to the grand tableau, but want to put in 2 cents worth I might put 5 cents in later on!

Knighting your Lady (you) are the Child, Heart, & Bear cards. This could be taken two ways for me; there is a beginning of a new romance with a very generous and protective gent. I would also say that he is financially very well off! Bear for me means money, and it's in the House of the Sun. This would describe this guy as very successfull and very upbeat. A larger than life kind of person, he has magnetism!
As Grashalm noted, your Lady card fall on the the House of Stars. I actually think you're going to find yourself uplifted and inspired by this man.

The other way to combine those three cards, would be to say that you are going to start something new, that brings you alot of pleasure and that you're passionate about.....it will also bring you cash flow. You will be successful at whatever it is!

The House of Stars with you, could also be saying to follow your inspiration, your guidance, and success will be yours.

The Lady is also opposite the Book- could it be that you are studying something? or writing something? there's money to be earned from it Stanze.

OR- this gentleman comes as a complete surprise into your life!!!

that's it for now-

Spirity

Hello Stanze,
when you draw your cards, is your lady looking to right or to the left side like here? I´m reading by line of sight.
When the lady looks to the right side, your near future (weeks) is symbolized by mice, fox and letter: There will be an avowal/ confession about an information. When I make mice KK lady, I think that you will make a confession, but you are very douptful about it. To know whom you do your confession I´m knighting to get more information: You make a confession to a man. I don´t know if it is your husband. The man is for me mostly the man you love. Well, I think, it´s a confession to you husband and to the dog. The topic could be changes (storks). Hmm.. I don´t know if is of some use to you.

Now your topic!
I pick the ring/ your relationship. The present situation I see below the ring: tower and clover. There´s a split or you feel lonely in your relationship. But you said it before that you have a split. This split is not really dramatic to you- so, it´s no marital strife/ divorce battle.
To look, what´s the future for a topic, I read the cards by line of sight (For neutral cards without a line of sight I take the left side). Well, it´s again mice, fox and letter. I´m exciting what you can tell...
The get informations about you next future (about 2 month) about your relationship, I look to letter KK house. Perhaps you look your values about stability, status and assets and you costruct new one.
Now I make the way of houses: ring in the house of garden, garden in the house of ring. Oh, that´s a short way. Something in your relationship will get formal. Ring and garden of course can have other meanings in an other context.

When I read the GT I do it like this way with all topics I´m interested in.
When I want to see the further future I make a 4x8 to a 4x9 GT:





Tomorrow more.
Greets, grashalm