Timing Events

Hi Everyone

I'm trying to practice with timing, and when things will happen, and I was wondering what method you used to predict specific "timing" of events.

I've read where some make a "timing board" and lay out all 36 cards, then look to see what "house" the specific card is in.
i.e. if your asking about a relationship Q, then look to see what house the "ring" landed in, or asking about a move, then look to see perhaps where the "stork" is. The HOUSE position is the answer to the timing question.

I've also seen where, the key card is charged, and the card laying next to the key card is the timing of that situation.

Or I've read where you just lay out a random line of 5 without charged cards and look for combinations specifically answering your question.
Adding the combinations up.

Also seen just pulling ONE card after asking a specific question about "when" something will happen.
Some use the number appearing on the card to indicate number of days etc.

Do you read your "timing" and "when" within a spread already?
Or do you pull a separate "timing" spread?

Wondering how y'all handle this!
Thanks for all advice!

midnight-dawn wrote:

I've read where some make a "timing board" and lay out all 36 cards, then look to see what "house" the specific card is in.
i.e. if your asking about a relationship Q, then look to see what house the "ring" landed in, or asking about a move, then look to see perhaps where the "stork" is. The HOUSE position is the answer to the timing question.

Yes, this technique is included in the Treppner Course. I've not tried it myself, but I've heard only good things about it.

midnight-dawn wrote:I've also seen where, the key card is charged, and the card laying next to the key card is the timing of that situation.

This technique is not part of Sylvie's teachings, but it sounds like it would be fun to experiment with to see if it works consistently.

midnight-dawn wrote:Or I've read where you just lay out a random line of 5 without charged cards and look for combinations specifically answering your question.
Adding the combinations up.

Yes, this is the method Sylvie teaches. Most cards have a time association, or an astrological correspondence, and you would look for a pattern to help determine the timing.

midnight-dawn wrote:Also seen just pulling ONE card after asking a specific question about "when" something will happen.
Some use the number appearing on the card to indicate number of days etc.

Yes, I've used this technique with PCs, but not with Lenormand. This technique would also be worth experimenting with to see if it works consistently.

midnight-dawn wrote:Do you read your "timing" and "when" within a spread already?
Or do you pull a separate "timing" spread?

I do both. Sometimes a card will jump out at me to indicate the timing of a prediction, and sometimes several cards will indicate a similar time frame, and I'll go with that. When I don't get a definite sense of timing from the spread itself, I will draw a separate spread (usually 5 cards) to help me pinpoint timing.

You'll find that there are several different systems out there for using the Lenomand to determine timing. Some of the cards have a traditional timing element-- for example Moon means something will happen soon, and Rider also has a fast time frame. Here is a list of traditional associations that I picked up in my travels-- I believe it coincides with the timing correspondences used in the Treppner course:

Rider: fast, within two days, positive
Clover: within 4 days, suddenly and unexpectedly, positive
Ship: in three years
House: morning
Tree: in five years
Clouds: six years
Snake: seven years
Coffin: immediate, negative
Flowers: Spring
Scythe: Autumn
Whip: in two years
Owls: October
Child: in brief, positive
Fox: December
Bear: 10 to 20 years
Stars: at night
Storks: February
Dog: July
Tower: in one year
Garden: noon
Mountain: January
Crossroads: within two months
Mice: immediate, negative
Heart: August
Ring: until eternity, or it still lasts
Book: March
Letter: June
Man: April
Lady: May
Lily: winter
Sun: summer in general
Moon: the evening
Key: November
Fish: in four years
Anchor: September
Cross: immediate, negative

Sylvie Steinbach approaches the timing a little differently in that she assigns a zodiac sign to most of the cards. For example, Stars is ruled by Aquarius, and so this card can denote a time frame between Jan 21st and Feb 21st. She also uses the card numbers to denote timing. For example, Ship can represent the 3rd month (March), or three days, three weeks, or three months.

I hope this helps.

Kaph

Thanks Kaph!

I have been playing it safe and only pulling one card separately to ask specifically "when" something will occur, so far it has been pretty good for me.

I tried the whole 36 board layout, it didn't really work for me, but thats just me.

I was a little confused with some of the other approaches.

I will draw a separate spread (usually 5 cards) to help me pinpoint timing.

How do you actually pinpoint timing using 5 or so cards? How do you know which one is the right time frame?
I've tried this and got such contradictory information.
i.e HOUSE = morning
MOON = evening
SNAKE = within 7 years
MICE= immediatly
Somewhere between now and 7 years, early in the morning and late at night...

If you were to read timing into the spread already, do you read the cards closest to the Key card for your timing factor? Or look for similarities.

I don't have Sylvies astrological associations, but if it is done astrologically, and there are only 12months of the year, does she have 3 cards associated with one month?

midnight-dawn wrote:
I was a little confused with some of the other approaches.

I will draw a separate spread (usually 5 cards) to help me pinpoint timing.

How do you actually pinpoint timing using 5 or so cards? How do you know which one is the right time frame?
I've tried this and got such contradictory information.
i.e HOUSE = morning
MOON = evening
SNAKE = within 7 years
MICE= immediatly
Somewhere between now and 7 years, early in the morning and late at night...

Well, I use Sylvie's approach, so that may not be helpful to you if you're looking for a more traditional answer. Anyway, I look for patterns, and for this particular spread, I'd get sometime between April and June of next year.

House refers to the 4th Month (April), and it also relates to Taurus (Apr-May). Moon is a fast time frame, but it also relates to water signs such as Pisces which would be Feb/Mar and Cancer which would be June/July (I would ignore Scorpio because it's way outside of the time frame suggested by House). Then I look at Snake which is also Cancer or Scorpio. Mice doesn't have a timing association. So I'd say late spring/early summer as the time frame based on these cards.

midnight-dawn wrote:If you were to read timing into the spread already, do you read the cards closest to the Key card for your timing factor? Or look for similarities.

There's no rule that the cards closest to the key card will reveal the timing. I usually look at all of the cards and look for a pattern-- unless something specific catches my eye.

midnight-dawn wrote:I don't have Sylvies astrological associations, but if it is done astrologically, and there are only 12months of the year, does she have 3 cards associated with one month?

Yes, some of months are covered by more than one card, and some cards have more than one astrological assignment. Some cards like Mice don't have any timing correspondence at all.

In the end, you're really going to have to rely on intuition to help you determine the right time frame.

Kaph

Thanks Kapherus!

That is exactly what I was looking for. That makes much more sense now!
I think I like Sylvies approach to this.

Ok, this is forcing me to get Sylvies book now....

midnight-dawn wrote:Thanks Kapherus!

That is exactly what I was looking for. That makes much more sense now!
I think I like Sylvies approach to this.

Ok, this is forcing me to get Sylvies book now....

I'm glad it was helpful, Midnight.

I will warn you though that if you decide to get Sylvie's book, you must be prepared to give up the traditional meanings and fully embrace her system. Otherwise there's a good chance you're going to run into problems. Trust me, I know this from personal experience-- as well as from other folks I know who have run into problems trying to study both systems. The approaches are vastly different in some basic ways that makes them incompatible IMHO.

It might be okay to just adopt her timing technique as a separate process though.

Kaph

Kapherus wrote:
I will warn you though that if you decide to get Sylvie's book, you must be prepared to give up the traditional meanings and fully embrace her system. Otherwise there's a good chance you're going to run into problems. Trust me, I know this from personal experience-- as well as from other folks I know who have run into problems trying to study both systems. The approaches are vastly different in some basic ways that makes them incompatible IMHO.
Kaph

I believe I'm using the French meanings anyway. Maybe not necessarily Sylvies exact meanings.

I say this because, as I've said before, I do not have any books at all. I just started reading what and how the cards spoke to me. Which of course, would be more "modern" type meanings, to today's everyday world.
After reading this way, and searching for LN answers, I found my meanings resembled and resonated with more the French meanings, as apposed to the Traditional type meanings.
I have Treppnars meanings and combo's, and I'm embarrassed to say, it didn't always make sense to me...
I have some of Sylvies combo's and they just make more sense to me, (well some of them I go ..huh?)
I have also followed thru some of Sylvies virtual workshop.

But even that being said, I'm so new to LN, that I'm still easily moldable!
Nothing has really gelled completely yet!
So maybe her book would be a good start for me.

Thanks for the help!

midnight-dawn wrote:

I believe I'm using the French meanings anyway. Maybe not necessarily Sylvies exact meanings.

I say this because, as I've said before, I do not have any books at all. I just started reading what and how the cards spoke to me.

My best advice to you would be... Do not allow any book or list of meanings override how the cards are speak to you. Some of us are working from the opposite direction-- we started with a book or a particular method, and now we're trying to develop an individualized style.

midnight-dawn wrote:I have Treppnars meanings and combo's, and I'm embarrassed to say, it didn't always make sense to me...
I have some of Sylvies combo's and they just make more sense to me, (well some of them I go ..huh?)
I have also followed thru some of Sylvies virtual workshop.

I think there are problems with the combination lists in the English version of the Treppner Course. The meanings are the same regardless of the card order, and I don't believe that should be the case.

midnight-dawn wrote:But even that being said, I'm so new to LN, that I'm still easily moldable!
Nothing has really gelled completely yet!
So maybe her book would be a good start for me.

Yes, if you resonate to the French tradition, then Sylvie's book could be a great resource. But always remain true to what feels right to you on a gut level!

So much good discussion in this thread.

midnight-dawn wrote:Or I've read where you just lay out a random line of 5 without charged cards and look for combinations specifically answering your question.

I've used a method similar to this, in conjunction with asking, "when." It really comes down to what cards jump out at me; I think it has to be an irrational process. Please check my blog post on this, and reference the linked tarot timing article to see what I mean about irrationality. Then consider applying that with the associations that Kapherus described.

Do you read your "timing" and "when" within a spread already?
Or do you pull a separate "timing" spread?

I've done timing by itself with Lenormand, but then I haven't done a whole lot of timing.

Kapherus wrote:I will warn you though that if you decide to get Sylvie's book, you must be prepared to give up the traditional meanings and fully embrace her system. Otherwise there's a good chance you're going to run into problems. Trust me, I know this from personal experience-- as well as from other folks I know who have run into problems trying to study both systems. The approaches are vastly different in some basic ways that makes them incompatible IMHO.

I second this; trying to learn the nuances of the no-layout has given me a lot of headaches, because there are some fundamental differences to the way she approaches the cards, and specific card meanings, compared to the traditional which I started with.

I think there are problems with the combination lists in the English version of the Treppner Course. The meanings are the same regardless of the card order, and I don't believe that should be the case.

This is one of the things that seemed to bother me, the combinations were the same no matter what order they came in.

My best advice to you would be... Do not allow any book or list of meanings override how the cards are speak to you.....But always remain true to what feels right to you on a gut level!

Thanks Kaph. Your right and my readings were so much simpler and bang on, when I was reading them from gut level at the beginning, without the confusion of so many different meanings and associations. Now my mind is getting clogged with all the different associations attached to each card.

Thanks Rif, I'm going to check out your blog post!